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		<title>By: huzi</title>
		<link>http://www.urduweb.org/blog/2005/03/24/#comment-66117</link>
		<dc:creator>huzi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 23:36:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hi .. i hav one question.. when i check this on the demo page and den copy smthng after writing.. it comes in the wrong way.. 
if i write "min yhaN own" i urdu n copy paste it.. it comes like this "own yhaN min".. can any1 help me on that.. thx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi .. i hav one question.. when i check this on the demo page and den copy smthng after writing.. it comes in the wrong way.. <br />
if i write &#8220;min yhaN own&#8221; i urdu n copy paste it.. it comes like this &#8220;own yhaN min&#8221;.. can any1 help me on that.. thx</p>
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		<title>By: Kyla Pasha</title>
		<link>http://www.urduweb.org/blog/2005/03/24/#comment-119</link>
		<dc:creator>Kyla Pasha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>assalam alaykum,
I'm very excited about your efforts to promote Urdu on the internet and I think it's a wonderful. I was wondering if you could help me (and if this is the wrong place to ask this, I apologize). I have an iBook and I want to be able to blog in both English and Urdu (on blogger.com) but I can't figure out how to get things like "ttay" and "noon ghunnan" to work on my computer. Any thoughts? Although there is an option for Urdu so that I can &lt;i&gt; read&lt;/i&gt; Urdu on the web, I can't &lt;i&gt;write&lt;/i&gt; Urdu because Arabic, Farsi and Pashto are the only input languages on my iBook. This is in OS  X. Would your Urdu editor work in OS X? Any thoughts? And thank you very much for your time. 
Kyla Pasha</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>assalam alaykum,<br />
I&#8217;m very excited about your efforts to promote Urdu on the internet and I think it&#8217;s a wonderful. I was wondering if you could help me (and if this is the wrong place to ask this, I apologize). I have an iBook and I want to be able to blog in both English and Urdu (on blogger.com) but I can&#8217;t figure out how to get things like &#8220;ttay&#8221; and &#8220;noon ghunnan&#8221; to work on my computer. Any thoughts? Although there is an option for Urdu so that I can <i> read</i> Urdu on the web, I can&#8217;t <i>write</i> Urdu because Arabic, Farsi and Pashto are the only input languages on my iBook. This is in OS  X. Would your Urdu editor work in OS X? Any thoughts? And thank you very much for your time. <br />
Kyla Pasha</p>
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		<title>By: Nabeel</title>
		<link>http://www.urduweb.org/blog/2005/03/24/#comment-120</link>
		<dc:creator>Nabeel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Kyla Pasha 

Thank you for your comment. You are actually at the right place for your questions. The problem is that none of us is using OS X at the moment (I think, at least). We can still give it a try. You should have the Urdu Naskh Asiatype font installed on your system. If you can properly view &lt;a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/urdu/"&gt;BBC's Urdu web site&lt;/a&gt;, the font is already on your system. 

You are probably using the Safari browser. You can give it a try by navigating to the &lt;a href="http://www.geocities.com/simunaqv/UrduEditor/Demo.htm"&gt;test page&lt;/a&gt;. I have tried to make the Urdu Editor a pure HTML/JavaScript based solution. Tell us about your experiences.

Regards,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Kyla Pasha </p>
<p>Thank you for your comment. You are actually at the right place for your questions. The problem is that none of us is using OS X at the moment (I think, at least). We can still give it a try. You should have the Urdu Naskh Asiatype font installed on your system. If you can properly view <a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/urdu/">BBC&#8217;s Urdu web site</a>, the font is already on your system. </p>
<p>You are probably using the Safari browser. You can give it a try by navigating to the <a href="http://www.geocities.com/simunaqv/UrduEditor/Demo.htm">test page</a>. I have tried to make the Urdu Editor a pure HTML/JavaScript based solution. Tell us about your experiences.</p>
<p>Regards,</p>
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		<title>By: زکریا</title>
		<link>http://www.urduweb.org/blog/2005/03/24/#comment-121</link>
		<dc:creator>زکریا</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kyla: Surprising that Mac does not have an Urdu keyboard. The characters are there in some of the fonts but they are not mapped to any of the keyboards. You have a few options:

# Type the characters using Unicode hex codes after activating "Unicode Hex Input Keyboard":http://tlt.its.psu.edu/suggestions/international/keyboards/mackey.html#unihex.
# Type the characters using some independent keyboard, may be an online one like Nabeel suggested.
# Create an Urdu keyboard layout using utilities such as "this":http://mac.softpedia.com/get/System-Utilities/Keyboard-Builder.shtml or "this":http://wordherd.com/keyboards/.

Since I don't use a Mac (and I think none of us here do), I can't be of more help. We would like you to help us by writing up instructions about reading/writing Urdu on the Mac platform here as well as on our "Urdu Wiki":http://www.sovereign-renditions.info/urduwiki/UrduHome.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kyla: Surprising that Mac does not have an Urdu keyboard. The characters are there in some of the fonts but they are not mapped to any of the keyboards. You have a few options:</p>
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<li>Type the characters using Unicode hex codes after activating <a href="http://tlt.its.psu.edu/suggestions/international/keyboards/mackey.html#unihex">Unicode Hex Input Keyboard</a>.</li>
<li>Type the characters using some independent keyboard, may be an online one like Nabeel suggested.</li>
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<li>Create an Urdu keyboard layout using utilities such as <a href="http://mac.softpedia.com/get/System-Utilities/Keyboard-Builder.shtml">this</a> or <a href="http://wordherd.com/keyboards/">this</a>.
<p>Since I don&#8217;t use a Mac (and I think none of us here do), I can&#8217;t be of more help. We would like you to help us by writing up instructions about reading/writing Urdu on the Mac platform here as well as on our <a href="http://www.sovereign-renditions.info/urduwiki/UrduHome">Urdu Wiki</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Kyla Pasha</title>
		<link>http://www.urduweb.org/blog/2005/03/24/#comment-122</link>
		<dc:creator>Kyla Pasha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you very much for you help! 

Nabeel: Thank you for directing me to the test page for the editor. It works quite well, although it doesn't seem to have the letters "pay" , "zayn", and "ghayn". It's also inconsistent about when it uses the medial "hay" as a "doe-chashmi" (like in Bhatti) and when it uses it as a hooke (like in "bohat zyada"). I'm mentioning this just by means of helping you refine it since I got the impression you're still working on it. I haven't tried to type into it and then copy-paste into another application yet, but when I do, I'll let you know how that works. Thank you again for your help.

Zakriya: Thank you very much for all those options. I enabled the Unicode Hex Input Keyboard, but couldn't figure out what to do after that (I haven't read the manual, so I'll figure it out later! I don't really know what Unicode Hex vaghera actually means or does, so... :) ) . I did investigate the various Unicode glyphs that are in my computer and on the resource pages you directed me too. Some of them join well (such as the medial "hay" in "bohat") and some of them don't (such as the medial medial "ttay" as in "banttay" [marbles] or the final position "noon ghunnan" [like in "hain", "jayein" etc]). So I'm not sure what to do, besides see if I can build a keyboard that will join all the letters that need to join. As I said, I will definitely let you know what happens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you very much for you help! </p>
<p>Nabeel: Thank you for directing me to the test page for the editor. It works quite well, although it doesn&#8217;t seem to have the letters &#8220;pay&#8221; , &#8220;zayn&#8221;, and &#8220;ghayn&#8221;. It&#8217;s also inconsistent about when it uses the medial &#8220;hay&#8221; as a &#8220;doe-chashmi&#8221; (like in Bhatti) and when it uses it as a hooke (like in &#8220;bohat zyada&#8221;). I&#8217;m mentioning this just by means of helping you refine it since I got the impression you&#8217;re still working on it. I haven&#8217;t tried to type into it and then copy-paste into another application yet, but when I do, I&#8217;ll let you know how that works. Thank you again for your help.</p>
<p>Zakriya: Thank you very much for all those options. I enabled the Unicode Hex Input Keyboard, but couldn&#8217;t figure out what to do after that (I haven&#8217;t read the manual, so I&#8217;ll figure it out later! I don&#8217;t really know what Unicode Hex vaghera actually means or does, so&#8230; <img src='http://www.urduweb.org/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> ) . I did investigate the various Unicode glyphs that are in my computer and on the resource pages you directed me too. Some of them join well (such as the medial &#8220;hay&#8221; in &#8220;bohat&#8221;) and some of them don&#8217;t (such as the medial medial &#8220;ttay&#8221; as in &#8220;banttay&#8221; [marbles] or the final position &#8220;noon ghunnan&#8221; [like in &#8220;hain&#8221;, &#8220;jayein&#8221; etc]). So I&#8217;m not sure what to do, besides see if I can build a keyboard that will join all the letters that need to join. As I said, I will definitely let you know what happens.</p>
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		<title>By: زکریا</title>
		<link>http://www.urduweb.org/blog/2005/03/24/#comment-123</link>
		<dc:creator>زکریا</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kyla: The joining issue is usually a font problem than a keyboard one. I think "this list":http://www.alanwood.net/unicode/fonts_macosx.html#arabic is of all Arabic script fonts included with Mac OS. Try different fonts or even download other fonts like those listed "here":http://tlt.its.psu.edu/suggestions/international/bylanguage/arabic.html.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kyla: The joining issue is usually a font problem than a keyboard one. I think <a href="http://www.alanwood.net/unicode/fonts_macosx.html#arabic">this list</a> is of all Arabic script fonts included with Mac OS. Try different fonts or even download other fonts like those listed <a href="http://tlt.its.psu.edu/suggestions/international/bylanguage/arabic.html">here</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Nabeel</title>
		<link>http://www.urduweb.org/blog/2005/03/24/#comment-124</link>
		<dc:creator>Nabeel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Kyla Pasha

It is good to know that the Urdu Editor works on OS X, more or less. With some perseverance you can even make it work properly. The Urdu Editor has an extremely simple design. It is based on the mapping of ASCII-characters to Unicode letters. This mapping is stored in the &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;codes&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt; array. The letter peh is mapped to small letter &lt;i&gt;'p'&lt;/i&gt; whereas dochashmi hay is mapped to small letter &lt;i&gt;'h'&lt;/i&gt;.
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codes['p']=0x067E; // peh
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codes['h']=0x06BE; // dochashmi hay

I looked up the Unicode codes using windows’ character table utility. Now if you can somehow look up the Unicode-based codes of e.g. peh and dochashmi hay and then accordingly adjust the mapping in the codes array, this should solve your problem. Let us know if it finally works.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Kyla Pasha</p>
<p>It is good to know that the Urdu Editor works on OS X, more or less. With some perseverance you can even make it work properly. The Urdu Editor has an extremely simple design. It is based on the mapping of ASCII-characters to Unicode letters. This mapping is stored in the <b><i>codes</i></b> array. The letter peh is mapped to small letter <i>&#8216;p&#8217;</i> whereas dochashmi hay is mapped to small letter <i>&#8216;h&#8217;</i>.<br />
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codes[&#8216;p&#8217;]=0&#215;067E; // peh<br />
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codes[&#8216;h&#8217;]=0&#215;06BE; // dochashmi hay</p>
<p>I looked up the Unicode codes using windows’ character table utility. Now if you can somehow look up the Unicode-based codes of e.g. peh and dochashmi hay and then accordingly adjust the mapping in the codes array, this should solve your problem. Let us know if it finally works.</p>
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		<title>By: Asif</title>
		<link>http://www.urduweb.org/blog/2005/03/24/#comment-125</link>
		<dc:creator>Asif</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>-&gt;Nabeel: It's difficult to figure out why curlp released only OpenType version of their fonts while they knew BBC Asiatype is TrueType and addresses huge portions of Pakistani and Indian audience using Windows 98. 

Maybe we should ask them to release TrueType versions also. The problem is that curlp seems defunct for quite sometime. They dont even reply the mails. The site has also not been updated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>->Nabeel: It&#8217;s difficult to figure out why curlp released only OpenType version of their fonts while they knew BBC Asiatype is TrueType and addresses huge portions of Pakistani and Indian audience using Windows 98. </p>
<p>Maybe we should ask them to release TrueType versions also. The problem is that curlp seems defunct for quite sometime. They dont even reply the mails. The site has also not been updated.</p>
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		<title>By: Asif</title>
		<link>http://www.urduweb.org/blog/2005/03/24/#comment-126</link>
		<dc:creator>Asif</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>-&gt;Nabeel: I have a question. Can UrduEditor use Tahoma if Asiatype is not installed on user's pc? I am planning to put it on UrduWiki and need this information to write the description.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>->Nabeel: I have a question. Can UrduEditor use Tahoma if Asiatype is not installed on user&#8217;s pc? I am planning to put it on UrduWiki and need this information to write the description.</p>
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		<title>By: Shirazi</title>
		<link>http://www.urduweb.org/blog/2005/03/24/#comment-127</link>
		<dc:creator>Shirazi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Absolutely great job. How did I miss this earlire?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Absolutely great job. How did I miss this earlire?</p>
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